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Valve keeps milking zombies
November 11th 2009, 17:00 CET by Milan Brezovský

Set for release on November 17, the title adds melee combat to enable deeper co-operative gameplay, with items such as a chainsaw, frying pan, axe, baseball bat, and more.

Introducing the AI Director 2.0, L4D's dynamic gameplay is taken to the next level by giving the Director the ability to procedurally change weather effects, world objects, and pathways in addition to tailoring the enemy population, effects, and sounds to match the players' performance. The result is a unique game session custom fitted to provide a satisfying and uniquely challenging experience each time the game is played.

Featuring new Survivors, boss zombies, weapons, and items, Left 4 Dead 2 offers a much larger game than the original with more co-operative campaigns, more Versus campaigns, and maps for Survival mode available at launch.

So, let's interview the resident Valve employee on the chainsaw details.
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#28 by BobJustBob
2009-11-17 17:29:09
Heh. L4D2 was released, and it isn't even in top 10 bestselling chart on Steam. I know it will get there, but what a shame!


They must have taken the preorder out of the list then, because it has been there ever since it was available to preorder.

"CS is still one of the best, and fun, tactical FPS multiplayer games out there." -- Perkins
#29 by LPMiller
2009-11-17 17:38:00
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Matt Perkins
I've heard a lot of sentiment similar to what I feel about LFD. What happened to all of the promises for the original? Instead we get to buy a whole new box? Meh...



What are these promises, and why would you, who is known for not caring for the original, care?

DLC? They've had DLC.

Support? They've had continued support.

What are these promises?

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#30 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-17 17:41:41
http://uglycode.com
For some reason, I still felt tempted to buy it today. Just for walking around the single player and surviving. Surviving the apocalypse would make me feel good, I guess.

To Valve's credit, it's only 35 EUR. I mean, most games went from $50 to 50 EUR (~30% increase) when Steam switched the currency for us, some getting to 60 EUR ($89) like MW2. So L4D2 is "only" $52, which is nice.

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#31 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-17 17:48:44
http://uglycode.com
What Matt is referring to, I assume, is the general whining around the globe (i.e. Steam on facebook and Steam fora). People assume that just because Team Fortress 2 costs next to nothing and has updated with new content and achievements regularly for over 2 years, they would do the same for L4D1.

After all, L4D2 IS the fastest new flagship game release from Valve lately.

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#32 by Jamie
2009-11-17 17:53:48
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Is there a LFD2 PC demo?

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#33 by LPMiller
2009-11-17 18:42:12
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Jamie
Is there a LFD2 PC demo?


Yes.


Milan Brezovský
What Matt is referring to, I assume, is the general whining around the globe (i.e. Steam on facebook and Steam fora). People assume that just because Team Fortress 2 costs next to nothing and has updated with new content and achievements regularly for over 2 years, they would do the same for L4D1.

After all, L4D2 IS the fastest new flagship game release from Valve lately.



They added Survival Mode and Crash Course, and made all levels Versus Mode capable. They released the SDK and their are some fine user made levels out there. I don't see them updating it less then TF2. And lets be honest, every time they update TF2, someone bitches about it.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#34 by CheesyPoof
2009-11-17 18:53:43
#31 by Milan Brezovský
After all, L4D2 IS the fastest new flagship game release from Valve lately.

The only thing I got from that timeline link is that they released Portal over 2 years ago and there hasn't been anything new released since then in the Portal vein. That sucks.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#35 by Jamie
2009-11-17 19:21:08
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
I'm guessing they're holding on to whatever new Portal stuff they've got to release it along with Ep3 and maybe something else (Counter-Strike 2?) in the next Orange Box like product.

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#36 by lwf
2009-11-17 19:56:27
I don't think we'll see another orange box. Orange box put valve back on the map. They don't need to give that much shit away again. Also, valve are cunts. Right Caryn?

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#37 by Matt Perkins
2009-11-17 20:08:26
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I <3 Valve, even if they don't want Caryn in The Jets.


As for what I was talking about earlier...yeah, they put massive effort, changes and great design over the long haul in TF2 (the Orange Box essentially). They didn't really near that amount with LFD. Now, they are trying a quick sequel, which is almost unheard for Valve, to see how that money stream works I'm guessing. I hope it goes great for them, but I don't think I'll be buying LFD2 at full price.

"Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#38 by LPMiller
2009-11-17 21:50:17
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
It took TF2 a while to have the content it has now. The initial product didn't release with all that many maps or modes, on it's own. Comparing it as part of the Orange Box package strikes me as unfair.

I have no problem not paying full price for it. I picked up the first L4D when it was half off. I've been playing it since then, too. To say it hasn't been supported as much as TF2 at this point in it's lifecycle is just wrong. Now, sure, but TF2 has been out a lot longer.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#39 by lwf
2009-11-17 22:03:04
The main problem I have with L4D is that I don't find it to be very much fun to play.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#40 by TreeFrog
2009-11-17 22:11:31
I think I once heard this one guy talk about something called Episode 3. Dunno what happened to him. Ballooning accident, I think. Or wolverines.

"Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker.  It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
#41 by Ng Yo
2009-11-19 11:59:02
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#42 by Dethstryk
2009-11-19 19:35:19
jemartin@tcainternet.com
FYI L4D2 is p awesome

\"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
#43 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-19 19:43:51
http://uglycode.com
Not f awesome?

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#44 by Squeaky
2009-11-19 19:48:31
it's j awesome.

#45 by Dethstryk
2009-11-19 20:22:55
jemartin@tcainternet.com
p f jawesome, lol

\"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
#46 by BobJustBob
2009-11-19 20:30:08
I played the first campaign last night solo and then in versus mode and it's pretty damn good.

"CS is still one of the best, and fun, tactical FPS multiplayer games out there." -- Perkins
#47 by yotsuya
2009-11-19 20:39:58
How about p b j awesome?

#48 by jjohnsen
2009-11-19 23:16:40
http://www.johnsenclan.com
How about jj awesome?

#49 by Dethstryk
2009-11-20 02:27:35
jemartin@tcainternet.com
How about you're all motherfuckers and I love you, assholes. Haters.

\"Making love to a woman is like working on an assembly line. No matter how good you are at it, you\'ll eventually be replaced by a foreigner or a machine.\"
#50 by gaggle
2009-11-21 16:06:06
I found myself rather pleased with the latest episode of Stargate Universe. That is all.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#51 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-21 18:11:56
http://uglycode.com
Matt, how is that iPhone app development coming along? I've just noticed that Flash CS5 will have a native support for building iPhone/iPod Touch applications, so I'm getting curious about jumping on the ever-growing app building ship.

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#52 by gaggle
2009-11-21 19:00:05
V, on the other hand, seems like complete and utter trite shite. Good lord.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#53 by Matt Perkins
2009-11-21 19:03:30
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Milan Brezovský (#51):
Matt, how is that iPhone app development coming along? I've just noticed that Flash CS5 will have a native support for building iPhone/iPod Touch applications, so I'm getting curious about jumping on the ever-growing app building ship.

That's pretty cool shit. I haven't done much with it since I found I needed I mac. I never bothered to take the hardware plunge or try to make my intel box run the Mac OS. Basically, I didn't care enough to continue at that point. :P

"Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#54 by Matt Perkins
2009-11-21 19:04:07
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
gaggle (#52):
V, on the other hand, seems like complete and utter trite shite. Good lord.

Huh...because I'm liking it a bit. I've only seen two eps, but it's been interesting enough.

"Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#55 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-21 19:18:02
http://uglycode.com
Yeah, I don't care enough to buy a Mac (although I could get myself to finding "trial" versions of Mac OS and virtual machine), but with developing inside Flash Pro / Flash Builder / with Flex SDK would cut that annoyance away.

I'm afraid that once CS5 is released, Flash developers will flood the app store, and the market will just become much tougher, especially if top Flash game developers begin publishing their already finished, polished games.

At the same time, that is what I absolutely love about Flash 10.1 - one application, all platforms. Browsers (win/mac/linux), smartphones (WM, iPhone, Symbian, BlackBerry OS). Bam, all development platforms I find interesting.

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#56 by gaggle
2009-11-21 20:21:53
Ugh. But everything is so cheesy! I can't overcome it.

To me it feels like 2nd rate drama. What would you say is the part of V you find most interesting? Like, do you feel for the priest's cause? I thought it incredibly boring and lazy how he just saw a bloodied man die in pain in his church and all he did was go turn in an envelope. Surprise!, he hooks up with our try-hard mom. Who lets herself be cut in the line of duty by a crazy man that for some reason isn't being laughed out of the warehouse by his crazy conspiracy theory. It just feels so… cheesy! Everyone are empty shells being puppeteered around in service of a bland alien story.

I can feel how the actors are pretending to be caricatures of people: There's the career-minded journalist, the try-hard mom, the naive son, the conspiracy-guy-who-has-it-all-figured-out, etc. There's no particularly clever dialogue, nor do we get close enough to the people to make them stand out much. Even the aliens are like us, with remote controls and see-through televisions, there's no interesting take on this alien society. And c'mon, those FBI agents don't feel like they're part of a big bureau do they? It feels more like they run around doing what a script writer thinks FBI agents do. I'd point to Flash Forward as an example of how to pull off a much stronger characterization of that line of work.

Maybe the characters are simple because the story is so broad, but do you feel the story is interesting enough to stand on its own? So the aliens have been here for a long time and are the cause of all our real-world problems and now they're here to fuck us up good, with only FBI-mom, Priestboy, Crazy-Conspiracy-Guy and the V-opposition to stand between us and certain doom. Oh I wonder if they'll make it??? I can't shake the feeling it's a 2nd tier show retelling an already told story.

It actually feels a lot like Stargate Atlantis or some of the recent Stargate movies. Everything feels like actors running around in service of a story that's not really that interesting. To me it's a sharp contrast to shows like Generation Kill, Daybreak, Dexter and others that all have these detailed characters and settings as well as unpredictable stories. I'm not saying those shows have universal appeal, but I am saying they offer far more nuanced characters and higher quality stories.


Or what, do you just watch V to turn off your brain? Empty hollow entertainment? I don't mean that to sound condescending, turning off my brain is one of my favorite pastimes :)

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#57 by CheesyPoof
2009-11-21 22:31:59
Each episode of V has been better than the last. The pilot was very rushed, I think, just to get all the pieces in places. They could have took their time with it, but I don't think that's the story they want to tell. Basically it's going to be the resistance and 5th column versus the Visitors, but they didn't feel they could throw that out there and are doing a half asses backstory. I think it can turn into a good show. Plenty of SF shows needed a bit of time to find their groove.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#58 by Matt Perkins
2009-11-22 00:21:07
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Milan Brezovský (#55):
Yeah, I don't care enough to buy a Mac (although I could get myself to finding "trial" versions of Mac OS and virtual machine), but with developing inside Flash Pro / Flash Builder / with Flex SDK would cut that annoyance away.

I'm afraid that once CS5 is released, Flash developers will flood the app store, and the market will just become much tougher, especially if top Flash game developers begin publishing their already finished, polished games.

At the same time, that is what I absolutely love about Flash 10.1 - one application, all platforms. Browsers (win/mac/linux), smartphones (WM, iPhone, Symbian, BlackBerry OS). Bam, all development platforms I find interesting.

The bigger problem with iPhone apps...

"Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#59 by Matt Perkins
2009-11-22 00:22:24
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I find V interesting because of the overall theory really... And the fact that I remember the original.

"Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#60 by LPMiller
2009-11-22 00:26:23
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
it's missing the every important Mark Singer character.

But gaggle, the original was quite cheesy.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#61 by gaggle
2009-11-22 00:37:36
Mark Singer for president.

But today's version has to stand on its own legs right? I fondly remember seeing V as a miniseries back when I was a kid but that was a lifetime ago. Things change. Maybe they should've remastered the original if they wanted a similar copy with the same level of storytelling.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#62 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-22 00:50:27
http://uglycode.com
#58 by Matt Perkins

The bigger problem with iPhone apps...

There is a warez scene for iPhone? I'm going to get one.

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#63 by Matt Perkins
2009-11-22 00:52:45
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Some games are reporting 90% piracy rate... It's crazy land out there!

"Fucking Radio Shack. It's a wonder they even know how to use a bathroom and don't just walk around all day with shit in their pants." - smds
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#64 by jjohnsen
2009-11-22 01:22:42
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Don't you have to have a jailbroken phone to pirate apps?  I didn't think there were that many jailbroken phones anymore.

#65 by Chunkstyle
2009-11-22 02:37:03
V is fun.  Cheesy entertainment can still be entertaining.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#66 by Squeaky
2009-11-22 07:03:28
#64 by jjohnsen

Don't you have to have a jailbroken phone to pirate apps?  I didn't think there were that many jailbroken phones anymore.

I am the only person I know who's phone isn't Jailbroken.

#67 by Hugin
2009-11-22 07:24:55
lmccain@nber.org
#66 by Squeaky

I am the only person I know who's phone isn't Jailbroken.


I personally know about 20 iPhone users, between friends and work.  No one has jailbroken their phone.

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
#68 by Shadarr
2009-11-22 09:55:52
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
Yeah, but Squeaky's young, and goes to school with even younger.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#69 by Squeaky
2009-11-22 11:05:09
#68 by Shadarr

Yeah, but Squeaky's young, and goes to school with even younger.

I am the only person in my class with an iPhone, everyone else uses a blackberry.


My dad has a jailbroken iPhone, so does my uncle, my cousins husband, and my brother-in-law as well as his brother.

#70 by lwf
2009-11-22 11:08:42
Blackberry is going down so hard.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#71 by Milan Brezovský
2009-11-22 12:51:30
http://uglycode.com
Squeaky's got smart classmates and lwf is wrong.
The prediction for the iPhone market share is pretty much the same, but changes to the estimate for Blackberry move it to third place while iPhone falls to fourth.


Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#72 by lwf
2009-11-22 13:04:37
Blackberries suck, the hardware sucks, the software sucks even more than the hardware. They're going down and they deserve to go down.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#73 by jjohnsen
2009-11-22 15:05:35
http://www.johnsenclan.com
#66 by Squeaky

#64 by jjohnsen

Don't you have to have a jailbroken phone to pirate apps?  I didn't think there were that many jailbroken phones anymore.

I am the only person I know who's phone isn't Jailbroken.

Really?  I'm the only person I know who has Jailbroken their phone.

#74 by Hugin
2009-11-22 16:54:44
lmccain@nber.org
#70 by lwf

Blackberry is going down so hard.


I wonder lumpy the regional distributions of these devices are, because I know literally one Blackberry user, and he's dumping his in a few months.


#71 by Milan Brezovský

Squeaky's got smart classmates and lwf is wrong.
The prediction for the iPhone market share is pretty much the same, but changes to the estimate for Blackberry move it to third place while iPhone falls to fourth.


That analysis seems to be based on the idea that iPhone will continue to be an AT&T exclusive.  I doubt that highly.

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
#75 by LPMiller
2009-11-22 17:03:22
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I wonder lumpy myself, sometimes.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#76 by CheesyPoof
2009-11-22 17:13:55
#73 by jjohnsen
Really?  I'm the only person I know who has Jailbroken their phone.

Reported!

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#77 by Hugin
2009-11-22 17:22:20
lmccain@nber.org
Wonder how lumpy, humph.

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
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